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>> state fire marshal saying crews are using high-tech tools, battling conditions made tougher by mother nature. >> rain creates challenges, lightning creates challenges. shifting in the rubble creates challenges. if the rubble shifts we have to stop because you can't take chances with people's lives below. >> we have people waiting and waiting and waiting for news. that is excruciating. we have them coping with the news that they might not have their loved ones come out alive and still hope against hope that they will. they're learning that some of their loved ones will come on out as body parts. this is the kind of information that is just excruciating for everyone.

in april, two months ago, the president of the tower association sent a letter to residents warning the building was in need of repairs. the letter urged residents to pay the $15 million in assessments needed to fix structural problems in the building. the condo board president wrote the concrete damage to the building would all the ply over the years and the observable damage such as in the garage has gotten worse over the years. according to the journal, the letter was meant to explain to residents why construction projects on the 40-year-old building were worthy ahead of a meeting to discuss the proposed special assessment of $15 million which was to be paid collectively by the residents. joining us from surfside, florida, nbc news correspondent antonia hylton. good to see you. what's the latest from the ground there in terms of search and rescue?

>> reporter: good morning. the situation here is quite grim, as we reach this sixth day. one more body was recovered as of yesterday evening, bringing the total to 11, but the number of unaccounted for is still 150 people. which has been really overwhelming for the community here just to face that number at the pace that the recovery is moving right now. as i've been speaking to people here in the community and to volunteers who have been on site at the rubble, what i've heard is that they are privately confiding they're starting to lose hope that miracles will happen to them. i met a woman who lives about a block from where i am, close to the tower that collapsed the other day, she told me she's friends with a woman who lived there, and she's at no hope that her friend is going to be found alive at this stage. at points things have gotten tense here and family members of loved ones living in that tower

have yelled at officials in private meetings with them. they've been demanding answers of how this could have happened and they've been frustrated with the pace of the recovery. but it's key for people to understand how dangerous this is, the shifting debris, smoke, fire, rain and wind. so there's attention to the pace and meticulousness that they have to go through in the hopes of finding people who may be alive, and the reality of the emotional experience of the community and these family members are having. they want answers and closure as fast as possible but the workers have to work through unbelievable conditions right now and it is creating an excruciaing environment here on day 6 of the search. >> it is. they brought in teams from israel and mexico for the search. families of the victims were

brought to the site to see the rubble and see with their own eyes what happened. what's the idea behind that and that's the experience like for those families? >> reporter: that's right. officials organized buses to bring family members up to the site of the rubble the idea was to give them a chance to see how the rescue operation was working. to see the first responders on the rubble and experience and get solace from watching all of that unfold. i spoke to one witness who saw this all in motion. and she was a bit conflicted about what this experience was actually like. what she described was seeing people completely breakdown, unable to function as they took in what this site actually feels and smells like. one volunteer who's been working at the rubble site every day described it to me as the gates of hell. just those words have really stuck with me. so while the idea i think was to give families a chance to see how these rescuers are working, how complicated this has been,

families witnessed one of the responders falling down 25 feet. so i think they did take in the gravity of the situation there p. it was described to me as an extremely traumatic event that has led some families to feel they need to begin the grieving process, as they lose hope that their family members could have survived under this heavy concrete and sheet rock over six days. >> thank you so much. let's bring in congresswoman debbie wassermann schultz of florida who was in surfside over the weekend. thank you for coming on and joining us today to talk about this. >> thank you. >> what did you find as you've been observing what's happening and what's been going on with your community? >> the enormity of this tragedy is really almost impossible to describe. this was the stuff of nightmares literally having the building you live in, 12 stories high,

come crashing down around you in the middle of the night while everyone was sleeping. this is a very tight knit community, surfside and the surrounding area. these are people who, you know, they know each other, there's not many degrees of separation between family connections and friends. i can't tell you, i have three or four families and friends who had people in the building, it's devastating. and then bringing them to the site the other day, as your reporter was talking about, was so incredibly important because, mika, there is -- doubt starts to creep in when it's taking as long as it has. and helping them understand the enormity of the tragedy, bringing them in proximity to it and there's a lot of jewish people, orthodox jews and you may not know, proximity to a deceased person and making sure

that you stay with the body when there is one, until burial is part of a faith tradition, so that was important too. >> one part of your office, of course, is constituent services. and i'm wondering what you're hearing, especially in terms of the safety of the neighboring buildings, how the community is feeling given that there's so much mystery as to how this happened, information about warning signs, inspections, alarming cracks being noticed under the pool and in certain areas under the building, are people asking questions about their buildings and what kind of coordination is there to take a look at the strength and sanctity among the buildings around this condo? >> i know i heard concerns up

through the coastline up through florida, are condominiums just like this one of similar age, the mayor of miami-dade county ordered an audit and review of all buildings five stories and up that are at least 40 years old. people are concerned. but we're very much -- this is a whole of government approach. we're very much in first things first, which is to make sure that every inch of that rubble pile is gone over with a fine-tooth comb. we have the best team of search and rescue experts in the world. plus the teams from israel and mexico, the fema teams are on stand by and will be rotating in. making sure if there's any possibility of rescuing a sur -- survivor, and that's critical. what i'm pleased about is having a chance to talk to our national institute of standards and

technology, the federal agency that goes in and does a forensic examination really technical examination of how this happened, they find fact not fault and they are looking at opening a national construction team investigation. and they do it so at the federal level we know what policies might need to change across the country to make sure something like this never happens again when it comes to building standards. >> congresswoman debbie wassermann schultz. thank you very much for joining us and giving us that update. president biden hits the road today to tout the infrastructure package. he'll be in wisconsin stressing the $973 billion package would

include the largest investment in transportation in nearly a century and would create millions of jobs. biden has an op-ed in yahoo news entitled americans can be proud of the infrastructure deal. it reads neither democrats or republicans got everything they wanted in this agreement but that's what it means to compromise and reach consensus. the very heart of democracy. when we negotiate in good faith and come together to get big things done we begin to break the ice ha too often has kept us proven in place and prevented us from solving the real problems americans face. there is plenty of work ahead to finish the job. there will be disagreements to resolve. and more compromise to be forged. but this is a deal the american people can be proud of. willie? >> but that legislative path to get there is shaky. house speaker nancy pelosi said

she would not consider the bipartisan infrastructure plan until the senate approves that second larger package despite president biden's walk back over the weekend. to that, mitch mcconnell issued a statement insisting the two pieces be separated. he wrote in part, unless leader schumer and speaker pelosi walk back their threats then president biden's walk back of his vie toe threat would be a hollow gesture. the presidents cannot let congressional democrats hold a bipartisan bill hostage over a separate and bipartisan process. >> i appreciate the president saying he's willing to deal with infrastructure separately. but he doesn't control the congress. and the speaker and the majority leader of the senate will determine the order. so what i did this morning is to call on the president to ask the majority leader and the speaker to deal with these issues separately.

>> so joe, in many ways president biden has dug the hole by saying i'm not going to sign the bipartisan package unless i get the other democratic package, then walking it back. but let's be clear, mitch mcconnell was never going to be on board with any of it, this just gives him cover. >> he's not. but as i often say, mitch mcconnell is the republican majority leader and what he just said there is what the republican caucus is saying. and even a lot of those members that want to be part of this bipartisan bill. it does seem strange what the democrats have been doing here. i understand the progressive wing of the democratic party has been long suffering over the past four or five months listening about joe manchin, joe manchin, joe manchin and sometimes kyrsten sinema. at the same time, if you want to have the bipartisan bill pass, you can't say yes, we're going to use you to get to the 60 vote

threshold this time. but only if we also can roll you with this 50 vote threshold. at the same time it's just not going to work. you know, we say things on the show, like for instance, hr-1 is never going to pass in its current form. been saying that for months. right. said there was a mess with immigration early on and people freaked out when we said that. and no, it's just seasonal. this is just seasonal. then they found out, i guess it took them a couple more months to figure out that we actually had a problem at the border that they didn't want to admit was a problem. well, let me be perfectly clear as richard nixon might say, this is not going to pass at its length. it's not going to pass. so either the democratic leaders

can keep their insight thoughts inside their heads and figure out a way to deal with the progressives in the caucus to say, hey, let's let the bipartisan legislation pass first, and then we'll figure out how to get manchin to the 50th vote later. because joe is not going to vote for that package as is. there is no package right now until they negotiate it. we have like a $6 trillion price tag out there, that's not going to pass ever. ever. will never pass. okay. i'm sorry to have to be this blunt this morning, but i'm getting tired of saying things and three months later people figuring out, yeah, duh. it's not going to pass. okay. i respect bernie and other progressives pushing for 6 trillion because if you don't push for that, you don't meet people in the middle. i understand why they're doing that. but god, these conflicting signals between a president, a

speaker and a majority leader? it's got to stop. do you want a bipartisan piece of legislation that will help the president? that will help the democratic party? and will help the country? and yes, will help some republicans too. so it's bipartisan. or not. >> so what should they be doing? in. >> stop talks past each other. pass the bipartisan piece of legislation and then, instead of holding press conferences saying they need to be linked because they can't be linked because if they're linked there's no deal. stop saying it. stop saying it in front of the microphones. and go to the bowels of the capitol and get your democratic caucuses together and talk there, get your 50 votes there. stop giving republicans high

ground, which is exactly what you're doing right now. >> let's bring in columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" -- >> did you say i was done? i wasn't done. >> you're done. eugene robinson. and -- i have a question but let me get everyone in here. contributor, ana palmer is with us. and research fellow at the hoover institution lanhee chen is with us. before you go to the guests, joe, does it matter if they're linked? i don't understand this argument. i agree with you, if they both get passed in some way, isn't that the goal? what's the thing with linking them? is there a reason they need to be? >> they're saying publically they need to be linked because you have a lot of progressives that feel like they've been run over for the past four or five months. >> what's the difference if they both go through? >> well, because you can't bag

republicans -- actually, these ten republicans or whoever they are, are actually i'm sure getting volumes of hate phone calls from their constituents from their base telling them don't do any deals with democrats. they've pulled them out to get to 60, and now they're hearing, great, we're going to use republicans so we can churn through $1.2 trillion price tag, republicans helped us with that and at the same time use that as an excuse to roll the same republicans -- to roll those same republicans so you can then get an infrastructure plan that's not the hard infrastructure, that is more human infrastructure. which all those republicans wouldn't vote for and right now joe manchin wouldn't vote for it and kyrsten sinema wouldn't vote for it. talking about having to have both of those bills linked at the same time, it's not even

politically possible right now. gene robinson, forgive me, my wife had to be kind and say she understood what i was talking about. i don't know if anybody does. but doesn't it seem bizarre that the president of the united states and the speaker of the house and the democratic majority leader are all talking past each other at a critical juncture like this? >> well, joe, you would have noticed that president biden over the weekend, released a long statement clarifying what he had said, right. about the linkage and not signing the one bill until he got the other, and the statement was -- the explanation is is that much longer than what you originally said. but you've got a problem, and you've outlined the problem and it's really a matter of sort of

why are you saying the quiet part out loud? in fact, you want this bipartisan deal to go through. there are voices from the progressive wing of the democratic party like alexandria ocasio-cortez giving very positive signals to the white house and saying, you know, we want president biden to succeed. which, you know, i kind of interpreted as, okay, we can -- as long as we get the human infrastructure built a little further down the road, maybe, maybe they get -- maybe the senate just passes the budget resolution in the near or medium-term once they work out that figure and then the actual appropriations legislation comes later in the fall or something like that. >> right. >> that seems a much likelier

scenario. but to get that scenario now that things seem to be more or less back on the rails, requires not explicitly linking the two things which, in your mind, if you're the democrats, are indeed linked. you just don't have to say it like that. >> yeah. you don't have to say it out loud. you can actually have caucus meetings. again, lonnie, let's be very clear, republicans who think and editorial writers who think there's a great democratic conspiracy they have this all figured out and they're saying the quiet parts outloud greatly overestimate the democratic party right now. they don't have 50 votes for the soft infrastructure plan, they don't have joe manchin on the plan as is, they don't have kyrsten sinema on the plan as is. so even if they were to pass a de-linked hard infrastructure bill with republicans, they would still have months of

negotiations to get manchin and sinema and others to get them together with bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and in the house aoc and other progressives who again, let me underline again, have been extremely patient over the past four or five months. >> well, look, i think you have said exactly what needs to be said in this regard, because i've always thought there were only two things that really could hurt joe biden coming out of the election, coming into office with a head of steam. one was joe biden himself, and we saw that in the way that he handled the rollout of this. and the second thing was the progressive wing of the democratic party, which we have also seen play out in this whole conversation. so both of those factors i think really threaten to derail a process that fundamentally for joe biden and the democrats could have worked out in their favor -- because it wasn't going

to be the republicans who stopped them on this by the way, it was going to be the democrats themselves who have this inability to get this done. you're seeing the elements of the progressive base that have really been -- this has been something that's been simmering and out there for some time. but what you're seeing now is you're seeing that play out, the challenges within the democratic party itself and it is a coalition of people who think different things and have very different views of the world and you're seeing some of the conflict come fore now and threaten a process that would have been very good for joe biden, good for democrats, and good for some republicans too. but right now it's hard to see our way through this thing. >> annie you're on capitol hill, we saw on thursday when joe biden led the bipartisan group outside the west wing, yucking it up, rubbing republican shoulders, rob portman and everything else. we have a deal. then he says i'm not going to

sign that unless i get this other people that my democratic friends want. where does that leave us? are these bills linked and how do they get through? >> it's a reflection of the reality. as much as joe biden wants a deal here, wants to work with republicans, there are factions of the democratic party as you've all been discussing the past several minutes that have a vote here. it's the point the majorities are so slim. if you take a step back, yes, the progressives are pushing biden and their leaders to find a way forward on this softer human infrastructure package. but their hair is not on fire. you don't see -- we caught up with alexandria ocasio-cortez yesterday, you don't see her saying, you know, she's about to light this on fire and they're not going to vote for anything. they're continuing this as a process. i think that's what's important for people to take a step back and say, okay, this bipartisan deal is going forward.

the liberals and progressives are going to try to press their case as much as possible to say at the same time they want to do a dual track. i think you'll see that language change from linking it to a dual track process. and if democrats are able to do that, it'll be much more successful. >> and willie, i want to underline again what ana said, aoc especially, not only when she was on this show but when people stick microphones in her face waiting for her to somehow declare war against this legislation or process just doesn't do it. she shows patience. bernie sanders went out and, again, i respect a politician going out and doing what he was elected to do, stake his claim on a very progressive position, that again i don't think we'll ever get past but he needs to stake that claim or the entire debate will be framed around people who don't think like he

and his constituents think. but i think again the disconnect here has been the fact that the progressives have been patient over the past four or five months. they have been quiet, they haven't been saying they were blowing up the process in a way that like for instance my colleagues did when i first got into congress and we wanted to basically eliminate every program and eliminate, you know, every cabinet agency. so they've shown that patience. i guess that's why i don't understand the disconnect between the actual leaders of the party. these aren't back benchers, these are leaders of the party. and again, house speaker nancy pelosi and majority leader chuck schumer have to know, if they're demanding linkage between these two bills, then there will be no bill passed. maybe that's what they want? maybe they want to roll it all up into one reconciliation bill? but if they do that and kill this bill they won't get joe

manchin's vote. that's why i don't understand why they don't take yes for an answer. give biden the win, give congress the win, give america the win. >> as you say, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer have been around long enough to know where this is headed if they insist on this being linked and joe manchin has said i'm not going along with that bill unless we can settle on this bipartisan package. but he also said, mika, we have to work on that democratic package first. there's a lot of stuff i don't like, kyrsten sinema doesn't like. so he's not a lock for that even. but the president has been managing republicans for the most part after he came out and said i'm going to not sign the bill then he put out the statement, spent the weekends calling behind the scene. mitt romney said the waters have been calmed. rob portman said this is in a good place. they want the bill but as joe said the linkage to the other piece of legislation is the problem. >> by the way, willie, i'm

curious, you talked about the rob portman back rub -- >> maybe i overstated it. >> it was a tap on the shoulder. >> you know what that reminded me of, of course. >> i know where you're going. >> george w. giving the back rub to angela merkel. did portman's shoulders go up. >> just a quick deep tissue massage to the german chancellor. no, it was more of a pat on the shoulder, we got it done. >> we're buds. >> probably appreciated it more. >> still ahead house speaker nancy pelosi introduces a bill to establish a january 6th commission. will we see her include a republican among her appointments. plus states across the country continue to lift covid measures even as the delta variant prompts new restrictions around europe. this morning we'll be joined by "the washington post" reporters who are out with the new book, nightmare scenario.

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welcome to good "morning joe." the sky needle is glowing for a reason. in seattle it's 187 degrees. >> that's a lot. >> it is. >> it's actually -- >> it is unbelievably hot out there. >> we'll get to that in a moment. >> willie you were off yesterday, that's when you do your orphanage work and we

respect you greatly for that. >> thank you. >> you didn't get a chance to hear me tell aamir what i got out of the yankees/red sox weekend, and that is that we, the red sox, are doomed because dj lemahieu, his bat is getting hot and you need a guy -- because that guy was batting like 260, absolutely on fire -- by the way, can i say, he was the nicest guy to the kids in the stands. they're really good guys. but the yankees i'm telling you, i told lemire, who is a gloater as you know, that the yankees are going to turn it around, you guys will end up winning by 20 games which will make the baseball season amazing for you because vandy, man, what a story, the little engine that could out of nashville tennessee. >> i was out yesterday morning, yet another sweep by the

yankees, fourth place right now, 7.5 games out. vanderbilt won last night in game one of the college world series, 8-2. they're playing mississippi state in an all s.e.c. college series. vanderbilt could win it all tonight. of particular interest, jack lighter, one of our two star pitchers, he pitched a gem last night as he usually does. the sophomore from new jersey, expected to be a top five pick in the draft with the boston red sox sitting at number four and the draft is in a couple of weeks said to have eyes for jack lighter. jack lighter said to be excited about the potential for playing in fenway. you could watch them win the college world series and then see him in a red sox uniform a few weeks from now. >> we had garrett richards on the mound last night where a couple of weeks ago hit rpms,

spin rate 2,487. last night it was 4. gone down substantially. i think he was using super glue for his grip. so things have gotten shaky with our pitchers. >> funny what happens when you take away the gorilla glue from the mitts. college sports we were talking about vanderbilt, we hope they win tonight. the ncaa is on the verge of letting players profit off their name, image and likeness, the council recommended the shift in policy that could see players earn millions of dollars through autograph signings, personal appearances, endorsements and their social media platforms. the 24 member board of directors will review, expected to approve that recommendation tomorrow one

day before new laws take effect in eight states that will give college athletes the opportunity to earn money off their fame regardless of what the organization does. so you put this together with the unanimous supreme court decision yesterday where justice kavanaugh wrote the opinion, ncaa it's time to change your model, effectively, take care of the kids. something that's been coming for a long, long time, this is saying, star athletes in college, if you're going to use their name, their face on a video game, sell their jersey, you're going to make money off of them, they should share in those profits. >> my opinion on this changed through the years. when i was in college and after i got out of college, i thought, a scholarship for somebody to kick a ball, throw a ball, that's enough. they should get their scholarship and education, that's sufficient. and as i got older, suddenly

they're like the age of my kids. i see these kids who give so much to these universities, my experience, university of alabama, and their jersey sells for god knows how much money they make for universities and then they break their leg. i think about pro throw for alabama who was on his way to the nfl, his leg snaps during a blowout of the gators and that's the end of his career. think how many times that happens throughout america. and for a lot of those alabama guys that i went to school with that were these extraordinary players, you'd hear stories about hey did you hear so and so is bagging groceries or did you hear that so and so is -- you know, there's so many sad stories. they need to be compensated i think more importantly i would love for every kid to get some sort of insurance policy, some

sort of benefit, especially if they're injured in the pursuit of making hundreds of millions of dollars for these schools. by the way, willie, i'm sorry at the end i accidentally said go vols. what do you say for come dore? go coms. >> anchor down. >> is that it? >> we drop the anchor for battle. it's down and ready to fight you at sea. works, doesn't it? >> boy. oh my god. that may be part of your problem. okay. anchor down. >> we've got the anchor we're going with it. >> okay. >> to your point, a lot of people shared that opinion by the way, you have a scholarship, this opportunity to go to a great university. what has changed is the money, the tv contracts up into the billions of dollars for these -- a league like the s.e.c. coaches

making 5, 6, $7 million a year and the players share in none of those profits. this sets up an interesting dynamic. if nick saban can go into a living room and say, if you come and play running back or quarterback at the university of alabama you're going to make money on your own. you're going to make money off tv, social media, become a star. but this goes back a long time, chris weber, who is the star of stars on that famous fab five michigan team talked about walking past the bookstore and seeing his jersey for sale for $50 and he could barely afford a meal at mcdonald's and said there's something wrong with this model. it looks like the wall is coming down in the last week between the supreme court and the guidance from the ncaa. >> by the way, you're talking to -- let's say nick saban is in the living room and if he can

say, listen, let me guarantee you mom, dad, if something happens to your boy, you know, he breaks his leg, can't play anymore, not only are we going to take care of him, not only is he going to have insurance to take care of that, the system is going to take care of him any problems he has, any disabilities he has moving forward but we want to make sure that he gets to stay at alabama until he gets that diploma. let's start first things first, make sure their health is taken care of, their insurance -- they get insurance, let's make sure they get their diploma, playing the university of alabama football team or the women's volley ball team. whatever it is, they make so much money at so many of these schools. and by the way, if some of the schools don't make as much

money, that's okay. alabama makes a lot of money. usc, texas makes a lot of money. we can figure out a way to take care of college athletes. >> and coming -- >> one more thing, mika. anchor down. >> go and roll and anchor down. new research on the two most prominent covid vaccines sheds light on the need for possible booster shots. plus facebook beats the ftc and 48 states as a federal judge dismisses two anti-trust complaints against the company but the fight is not over yet. also, donald trump calls most things fake news, but there was one report yesterday he seemed to be taking to heart. we'll tell you what inspired his creed against mitch mcconnell ahead. tch mcconnell ahead.

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in interviews for a book, barr revealed he knew from the beginning that claims of voter fraud in the presidential election were quote bs. >> he didn't say bs actually. >> any reaction from mitch mcconnell on this? >> i don't think it's that surprising in in terms of how the relationship with trump has deteriorated with mitch mcconnell. he's focused on infrastructure and the future, he rarely invokes the former president's name. he wants to feel as if trump is in the rear view mirror and is not the future of the republican party despite all signs to the contrary. >> joining us now journalist at the atlantic, adam serwer, he's out with a new book. the cruelty is a point. what a horrible title.

>> what a horrible title, what a depressing cover, and adam joins us now. >> i'm just saying -- >> so adam, help us understand -- help me understand this. because it's something that i figured out a lot, as far as the policy goes, the lines from throughout the '60s, '70s, but the whole cruelty is the point part of this. like mitt romney was the republican nominee before donald trump, john mccain four years before that. at what point did the republican party say, we want a guy that eviscerates not only all constitutional norms, but societal norms. a guy who under minds the values that we claim to take great

pride in teaching our children? >> so i think that evolution is actually kind of important because when you look at mitt romney in 2012, he's running around saying he's severely conservative he wants immigrants to self-deport. making birther jokes in michigan saying everyone knows where he was born. putting donald trump on the stage to get his endorsement. the conservative base wanted someone like donald trump before donald trump showed up and he knew that and provided them with that. the cruelty i'm focused on in the book. most people focus on cruelty as the individual problem, it's true everyone is capable of it, it's human nature. but as a part of politics, i'm trying to convey the way it's used to demonize certain groups you can justify denying people their rights under the constitution and exclude them from the political process. that's how donald trump started his campaign, it was the most

important theme of all of his speeches and it continues now with his insistence that the republicans somehow betrayed the republican party by not, you know, helping donald trump violently overthrow democracy by preventing congress from certifying the 2020 election. >> adam, everybody else wants to ask you questions here but i have to ask one follow-up here. i'm so glad you brought up mitt romney's, quote, self-deport comment. i think he made that in an early iowa debate, maybe even in early 2011, early 2012, everybody freaked out. the republican party freaked out. when mitt got like 28% of the hispanic vote, in all of the post more tums in 2013, they were going if only mitt romney didn't say self-deport that one time in january he would have

gotten bush's 44%. that was the argument. so we went from that in one presidential election to the next where you had a president calling hispanics breeders. you had a president who caged hispanics children, and who took great pride in that, and in that point the cruelty was the point. so we get from 2012 where a guy talks about self-deporting one time in a debate, the entire republican party breaks down, what a fool, how could he say that to four years later, the chains are off, how did it happen so quickly? >> it was a conscious decision on the part of trump's supporters to raise the issues to trump's advantage, look back at steve bannon reading a piece, the missing white voters, so

they made a conscious decision to engage in white identity politics. what i'm focused on in the books is to say our system incentivizes this because our system allows one party to hold power without all the votes. anything they do to prevent that is justified. banning people on the basis of religion, child separation, laws attacking transchildren, this is a kind of politics of cruelty that is incentivized by a system that enhances the power of one particular party of the electorate that the republican party relies on to win votes. if they had to reach beyond that base, they would become a more moderate party on the issue of democracy. conservatism is never going away but the question of whether or not the leaders that we choose

will reflect the will of the people is an existential issue for the country and one that the republican is putting in danger right now with all these election laws that are justified by this politics of cruelty and exclusion. >> lanhee chen is with us and has a question for you. i'm wondering, adam, how much of this speaks to the future of the republican party and how much of this is about trump specifically versus, in your view, kind of where the republican party and the conservative movement is headed more broadly. and can the two, in fact, be separated? i would make the argument they can and should be. but what is sort of your finding and your research tell you about that? >> i think as long as the system incentivizes trump style politics we're going to get trump style politics. the reason for that trump did pretty well in 2020, notwithstanding the voter fraud, he did pretty well with black

voters, better with latino voters than he did in 2016. so his politics are not harmful enough for them to abandon it 'cause it can still facilitate his hold on power. people make decisions within the systems within which they exist and our political system right now is telling the republican party this is a rational course and until we alter the incentives we're going to keep going down this path. trump what he largely did was reflect the conservative movement's desires back to them. he was watching fox news every day and validating the fears that fox news provoked in the conservative base by repeating them back to them. and so, he -- in doing that he went farther than republicans believed they were able to go and get away with it. now that they know they can get away with it they're going to keep going until they suffer

politically for it. >> this is gene robinson, congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> i want to re-personalized this for a second because trump, i would argue, whatever you think about him, is sort of a unique figure, a unique personality, at least he -- you know, he was a reality television star, had universal name recognition to begin with and an image that sort of fit where he -- the political line he eventually developed. wouldn't it be -- isn't he difficult to replace? i'm trying to imagine another figure, even a ron desantis or somebody like that, who has all of those elements that went into making trump the sort of avatar, the vanguard, of this shift of the republican party that you

identify. do you see anybody else taking up the banner? >> i don't know that he -- as you point out, he is a unique figure in terms of his personal idiosyncrasies, but in terms of the -- in terms of his reflection -- what he is, he is a reflection of the republican base. that's why he's so popular and why the republican party has to continue on this course of trumpian politics because he is a reflection of what they want. i think that, you know, he can't -- a large question is, will the vote ers that turned out for trump turn out in the numbers they turned out for him in future elections. i don't think we know the answer to that question. if the answer is no you might see the republican party shift in a different direction. but until they pay a political price for this kind of politics or it's no longer viable to a means to power they'll continue on the path they're on.

>> and that path may continue another few years if you look at how this midterm election should break this next year it's going to break, obviously, the republican's way. just again look at reapportionment, look at history, it would be extraordinary if the republicans can't pick up six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 20 seats and take control of the house again. when they do that, they'll feel justified. of course, setting themselves up for complete failure in 2024 but we'll get to that when we get to that. >> the new book is "the cruelty is the point, the past, present and future of trump's america". adam thank you. >> thank you, adam. we actually do like the title and cover. >> no, but i would read it. thank you all. >> thank you all. still ahead, we are entering day six of search and rescue efforts after the condo collapse

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morning on capitol hill. it is the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." it's tuesday, june 29th. we'll get right to the news. five days after the deadly building collapse in surfside, florida, new questions are emerging about warning signs and a desperate search for answers. sam brock has more. >> reporter: the gravity of a mass casualty event in miami. >> i saw her last month. >> reporter: acsen waited after a years old engineering report found structural damage under the pool deck and signs previous repairs were failing. though it's not clear what caused the collapse, now board meeting minutes obtained by nbc

news, which have been submitted to investigators say the building inspector informed residents a month later after reviewing the engineering report, it appears the building is in very good shape. he could not be reached for comment but told the miami herald he didn't remember getting the report. one county official says laws will change because of this collapse. why do you say that? >> reporter:. >> because they will. what took place here will put my colleagues and i in a position to do whatever it takes so this will never happen again. >> reporter: possible options include shortening the 40-year timeline for a building's recertification or changing how inspections are conducted. >> most of these 40 year certifications are done by eye. >> reporter: it's not clear how the tower was inspected by kobe carp said we have technology at our disposal. >> we have infrared, taking

concrete samples, those are things we should be potentially looking at. >> joining us now is the architect you just saw there, colby carp has spent time restoring historic structures that can with stand the elements. thank you for joining us. my first question would be what is the knowledge you might have about how safe the buildings are in the area? i heard the word anomaly described about the surfside collapse. can we really be sure? >> number one, good morning. and my prayers and my heart goes out to the families and to the neighbors and the family we have living in buildings nearby. this is an anomaly. this is also a position where we have an opportunity to look completely different at the way we have been doing our

inspections. and hopefully this is an event that shall never ever happen again. >> mr. karp it's willie geist in new york. i'm curious about the sister tower, justifiable concern about the residents of that tower, should that building and evacuated? how concerned should they be? >> i don't really have an opinion. look, it's the maintenance of the buildings. obviously there was a lack of maintenance which led for the waterproofing to be broken. so when the waterproofing, which is like the skin of our body, lets the water, in this case we have salt water, let it come into the concrete and get absorbed into the steel, which then leads to the corrosion and the steel is like the bone of our body, it then fails. so what happens is that over time, this continues to be a

detriment to the building and specifically here what you see in the reports, the people who visited the site are all talking about the membrane givenaway and the water being within the structure. if you read the report carefully there's a paragraph i saw in there that the inspector says if the membrane has given away here at the pool deck area, where else would it have given away? and that's a very sincere question, because it leads you to think where else, maybe the roof or maybe other locations, it has given away. the maintenance of the building has not been very strong. so when you look at the other buildings, and that's a good analysis to look at the other buildings and see how they are maintained, how they are repaired, how they are being controlled by the homeowner's association, that's a very, very good litmus test to look at the two. >> i think a lot of people were

surprised that they heard the buildings were inspected only every 40 years down there. that seems like a long time. we had "the washington journal" reporting overnight that two months ago the president of the condo association put out a letter we have to get the $15 million together we have to take out a loan to fix the cracks we're seeing in the parking garage and other places. do you expect the 40-year inspection window will be revised down in the wake of this? >> i do. i think you are correct. i think that the 40-year it came from another time. it will be changed. these inspections are -- look, this building was built and designed in 1980, '81, i was an 18-year-old in high school at that point in time. i think these inspections for these buildings are critical. they're like biopsies, like mris

we do to our body. we have the technology and the ability to check what's behind the concrete, behind the wall. what is the condition of where the vertical sheer walls or columns meet the horizontal slabs. we have that ability to do on a daily basis and i'm sure that the inspectors, who are very well and strong and conservative in this community with the building officials, i believe they are gathering together right now as they did after hurricane andrew in 1992, to basically overhaul the system as we did in 1992 and the florida building code after hurricane andrew. >> kobi karp thank you very much for coming on the show. we appreciate your insight. we're going to move to politics now. president biden hits the road today to promote the bipartisan infrastructure package. he'll be in lacrosse, wisconsin

to tout the economic benefits of the plan. but the legislative path is still very unclear. house speaker nancy pelosi said she will not consider the bipartisan infrastructure plan until the senate approves a second, larger package. despite president biden's walk back over the weekend that the two bills would not be linked. to that point, senator minority leader, mitch mcconnell released a statement yesterday incysting the two pieces of legislation be separated. >> i appreciate the president saying that he's willing to deal with infrastructure separately. but he doesn't control the congress. and the speaker and the majority leader of the senate will determine the order. and so, what i did this morning is to call on the president to ask the majority leader and the speaker to deal with these issues separately. >>, you know, willie, america

calls us washington's mediators, you know, democracy's mediators. so let's take that part where mitch mcconnell said he appreciated what the president was doing, which is kind of like the beginning of wedding crashers, something that's we can agree on. come on now, y'all. think about when you were -- i won't go through it all. >> please don't. >> but again this is something where we are getting -- we are getting to a deal and hopefully they can figure out how to do this in two parts because i want to reiterate. joe manchin, despite what some people have said and maybe what joe may have said in the past, i think people misinterpreted it, joe doesn't support the second bill yet. there's still negotiations inside the democratic party, when you're talking about these -- i think joe calls them social adjustments. bernie is talking about a

$6 trillion bill, joe is not going to be anywhere close to that $6 trillion bill. but it's interesting. joe manchin voted at the against the trump tax cuts because as he said, he believes that it unfairly benefitted the richest of americans. so he wants those adjustments. he knows not a single republican is going to support those adjustments. so those are going to be some of the pay fors in the second bill but that's going to be complicated, that's going to require democrats to sit down and talk to each other. that's going to require probably weeks, maybe months of negotiations to get to that second infrastructure bill. that human infrastructure bill. or as joe calls it the social adjustments they're not going to get in that first infrastructure bill. but they can get that first infrastructure bill but it's just not going to come to the house floor at the same time as -- as the hard infrastructure

bill. so it's a simple question, willie. do the democratic heards in the house and senate want this bipartisan bill to pass or not? if they don't, they can keep insisting on linkage but they're not going to be linked, joe manchin will tell you that, kyrsten sinema will tell you that and a couple other democrats hiding behind those two will say the same thing. >> as you point out, reconciliation is not a lock. joe manchin has a lot of work to do, a lot to say about it. kyrsten sinema has a lot to say about it. kudos to you somehow getting wedding crashers into a conversation over infrastructure bill, it was extraordinary. >> it had to be done. >> let's bring into the conversation, pete buttigieg, and also with us mike barnicle and host of "way too early" kasie hunt. mr. secretary great to have you in new york. >> it's good to be back. >> you were in the rail tunnel

between new york and new jersey built in 1910, it was state of the art 111 years ago. >> exactly. >> what did you see yesterday and how does it fit into the negotiation we've been talking about. >> what you see in the tunnel, they arranged kind of a technical car that allowed us to get a look at it is a piece of infrastructure that the whole region relies on. it's not just important to this region, it's important to the whole country. the economic consequences if the tunnels go out of service would be so severe, you would feel it back in indiana where i live economically. this is one example of pieces of infrastructure we have across the country, they were built, gleaming state of the art, high-tech as of whenever they were built but we're relying on 110-year-old infrastructure in this case. and the longer we try to do that, two things happen, one the longer we wait the more it costs to repair and two the longer we wait the more we're flirting

with disaster or failure that messes everything up. this is repeated in ways large and small, big cities, small communities across the country. that's why this bipartisan infrastructure deal is needed. it's a good deal, a big deal and the american people want it. i'm doing a lot of this travel and preaching but you don't know need me to come to a community for people to know that our roads and bridges and airports, rail and transit, in need a lot of work. this is the chance to do it. >> the bipartisan bill $1.2 trillion gets everything you need, hard infrastructure, rail tunnels, bridges, roads, highway -- >> plus water and internet. that's important too. there's a great american tradition of expanding our sense of infrastructure. it's clear that digital infrastructure is part of that story that's why the president insisted on having broadband access as part of the deal. >> this $1.2 trillion in another

time would have been an eye popping number for people. would you like to see it passed rightaway? >> we're talking about the biggest investment in rail since amtrak was created. we're talking about the biggest investment in public transit across the country than ever. we're doing more than has been possible in generations. it's exciting. it's going to be a challenge to implement this. that falls to our department to make sure those dollars are spent well. >> would it be frustrated to see that bipartisan bill slip away because it was linked to the other bill. >> we want to get this threw. we want to get both through. in people's lives these things are linked. you don't think about your cost of transportation one month and then the next month you think about the cost of child care. people are living these things

at the same time, and congress is dealing with these things all at the same time. we recognize there are some areas we can get republicans with us, like roads and bridges. some areas we can't. we're not going to stop being democrats we believe that corporations aren't paying their fair share these tax breaks for the rich went too far. they believe the opposite. we believe we need to act with policy to make child care for affordable. they agree the opposite. so be it. >> you agree those fall outside the purview of the secretary of transportation. you believe this bill needs to pass. >> absolutely. that's why these negotiations have been so encouraging. there were twists and turns along the way and there will be. the legislative text still has to come, votes have to come, a lot has to happen between here and there. when's the last time you saw republicans and democrats on an issue this big walk out of the west wing and say we're on the

same page. >> joe has a question for you. joe? >> so is it the position of you, of the administration, that these bills should not be linked? >> we recognize that congress is going to handle it according to whatever process and sequence makes sense to them. that's one area where the minority leader is right. the president doesn't dictate processes, congress does. but you'll see this administration in a full throated way continuing to go to bat for both of these things, the transportation that i work on and the other things in in the bipartisan package. we would love to see some republicans support that too. because you don't have to be a democrat to believe corporations aren't paying their share, to believe we have to do more on child care. we get there's a different level of care there and we'll pursue both. >> what's the administration's current position because it's changed or it seemed to have

changed from what joe biden said on saturday, what cedric richmond said on sunday, it was more ambiguous. do you support the president's statement on saturday and is it still the administration's policy that these bills should not be linked? the bipartisan bill should be voted on as a stand alone bill? >> what we're saying is both of these are good -- >> i know they're both good. yeah, i know. i know they're both good. but again, the question in washington d.c. and the question that has to be answered for republicans to decide whether they're going to be part of the democratic bill or not or this bipartisan bill is whether there's linkage, is there going to be linkage? >> i'm not sure it's clearly defined, other than people interested in the process what that means. is it linked in the sense of this being one single piece of legislation that moves all at

once, no, i don't think it is. is it linked in terms of different members of congress care about getting it both done, of course. is it linked for us, they're linked in people's lives. but look, they're important we've been talking about it as two tracks. two tracks are linked in some way but they're different. >> i'm not sure what it means, but it was used perfectly by the secretary of transportation. and your answer to my question, nancy pelosi said they both had to come to the house floor at the same time. you don't think it's possible. it's not possible, thank you for confirming that. >> i'm not going to argue with the speaker, but we get they're going to move things the way they see fit. we want both of them to get to the president's desk for signature. >> and you are right, the minority leader is right, it's not determined by the president ultimately it's determined by the legislature. let me ask you while you're in

new york city, i'm sure willie is going to want to chime in. i don't live there but i worked there for 15 years. i thought it was a disgrace that the gateway to america was an airport like jfk where you got in and then it took you an hour and a half to get into the city. i can tell you, mika and i there have been many times we had to make a choice between going to washington or going to new york to do a show, and we will choose washington because we know we can land and we can -- we can be in the city doing business in less than an hour and a half. why is it so -- why is new york's infrastructure so horrific? why are the airports so horrific? >> oh boy. >> why is the gate way to america -- it doesn't affect me, i'm not a new yorker. but it affects me as an american that the gate way to america is

jfk for the most part and the infrastructure to get from jfk to the city is just -- it's just absolutely dismal. >> right. if you book me for about three hours i can walk you through some really convoluted -- it's actually important if nerd dy. >> we've got time. >> great. here we go. the way our funding works it breaks up transit from aviation funding in a way that's different from any other country where you have a seamless experience, get off the plane, into some kind of public transportation downtown relatively quickly. that doesn't happen in most big cities in the u.s. and it largely has to do with things that i think we could eventually address as a matter of policy but it's also the fact that we as a country have not done what it takes to have world class infrastructure. as an american it's embarrassing sometimes to see the standard that citizens of other countries

around the world get to take for granted and that american citizens can't expect, especially when it comes to linkages involving public tran sit, rail, this is a chance to do something about that. we have to be smarter about connecting to the airports and improving the airports ourselves. one of the least controversial parts of the bill was putting $25 billion into that kind of infrastructure. we have to level up in this country. >> you know, willie, it's -- you go to boston, you land at logan, you're in town because of the big dig but you get in town quickly. you land at dca you get in town quickly. that happens in a lot of cities. but again, new york -- i put chicago, o'hare in there too, again second rate. again, the productivity that's lost, i know discourages people from coming to new york.

>> i will say in our defense, both jfk and laguardia are undergone overhauls in the last couple years. and we were talking about the monahan train station, pen station a disgrace for many generations but they refurbished across the street, and turning it into a gleaming hall. that shows that it can be done. how do you get that done and not get it done in other places? >> the train hall, as you said, it's a great example that reminds us, of course, we can do it. it's not like america somehow lost the capacity or cultural ability to have great infrastructure. the problem is we disinvested for so long it caught up to us. true in big communities and also small communities where there's one bridge and if it goes out it's a disruption to that community. different versions of the same story i find everywhere i go.

but when we do level up we have something to be proud of. a lot of it is policy, project design, things people in my department work on every day. but a lot is coming up with the dollars. for those who ask can we afford it? we can't afford to. as you look at the pieces falling off the important tunnel we look at yesterday, the repairs get more expensive every day. the more you put it off, the more it catches up to you. >> mike barnicle, survivor of the big dig has a question. >> let me ask you where you are today and where you were yesterday in the rail tunnel underneath the hudson river, these are like supply chains, these tunnels and bridges. the people who go through the lincoln and holland tunnel every day the trains that go through

the rail tunnel every day. first of all, did you get any sense when it was last inspected and how are they inspected? it's frightening to have to go through a tunnel and put your windshield wipers on because your windshield is getting wet. but across the country do we have any idea of the number of bridges and tunnels that might be damaged and the cost to repair them? >> yes. the bridges and tunnels -- they're inspected regularly, the good news, that's something overseen federally, and they catch really important issue. we were at the i-40 bridge in memphis a couple weeks ago, the inspector saw a huge crack in the steel. it's a terrible thing to see but it's a good thing that was discovered in an inspection and not in a failure. as we see this awful, tragic news coming out of miami, it's a reminder of how important it is to get ahead of the issues.

in terms of the cost, if you add all of our deferred maintenance, just to get our transportation infrastructure in the state of good repair, we're talking something in the order of a trillion dollars. >> pls mr. secretary, it's kasie hunt. dca is the best airport in america bar none, you get into town, hop on the metro, i've been to a lot, l.a., chicago, forget it, even the small town airports. washington needs some love sometimes. mr. secretary let me ask you, speaking of washington, to get this stuff done you need mitch mcconnell to at the least stay out of the way. do you think that he is a good faith actor in this process? >> i don't know what political calculations are involved on the other side. but what i do know is that every republican just like every democrat that i met in washington who's in congress, who's in the house or senate,

what they have in common is they're from somewhere. i think they would like to go back home to wherever they're from, new york, indiana, you name it and tell their constituents i helped get this bridge fixed, make sure the airport is in good shape whether it's dca or let's not forget south bend, which has a lot of good things, wherever it is, everybody is somewhere where they want to deliver. i think it's why this might be one to have to few areas of domestic policy we can still get something done. i would like to believe, at risk of sounding naive that the good policies we have in the bipartisan deal are also good politics. because yes, it's a win for the administration, but it's a win for everybody who's part of it and a win for the country. the rescue plan, it got more popular with republicans after it passed. even those who didn't vote for

it have nice things to say. this is one people want to be in on it because it's going to make a difference. not just the physical infrastructure, the jobs. this is going to create millions of jobs. most of the economists estimate the vast majority won't require a college degree, so a blue color vision for the future of the country that's going to make so many people better off that whatever other calculus is going on it's a no brainer to be on board. it's not everything. that's why there's the other track, more we want to do with climate, care, but this is good policy and hopefully good politics too. >> we'll see. secretary pete buttigieg, great to have you in new york hand inspecting all the tunnels across new york city. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," new details of the trump

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pro-democracy supporters in hong kong after a journalist was arrested while trying to leave the country. just days after the newspaper he was working for was shutdown. nbc news senior international correspondent kier simmons has more. >> reporter: driven away under

arrest, a columnist for a pro-democracy newspaper, a cry chinese crack down that forced the shutdown for the apple daily. applause as it printed its final edition. long lines in hong kong to buy its last copy not enough to protect freedom of speech. he was fleeing at the airport when he was apprehended he is the 7th journalist arrested, including the owner. when he helped launch apply daily in 1995 he he declared, i'm not going to give in i want the truth. but after months of protests the reality in hong kong is a suppression of once thriving newspapers. a security law imposed by beijing outlaws support for sanctions against china. hong kong's leader rejecting

criticism from the u.s. >> all those accusations made by u.s. government i'm afraid are wrong. >> reporter: china's authoritarian leader deciding hong kong's future with an iron fist. a federal judge dismissed antitrust lawsuits against facebook that sought to rein in the tech giant. the commission failed to present evidence that facebook holds a monopoly in the u.s. the dismissal is a major setback to the agency's complaint which could have resulted in facebook divesting instagram and what's up. and the company for e cigarette, juul is set to pay north carolina $40 million to

settle a case claiming the company's marketing practices targeted young people fuelling a public health crisis. stephanie gosk has the details. >> reporter: juul didn't just hook kids on their products it was part of their business strategy according to a north carolina lawsuit filed in 2019. nbc news spoke with luca that year. >> i noticed i was like this is getting out of control. >> reporter: 15 years old at the time, he had to go to rehab to get over his addiction to e-cigarettes. >> he went from a straight a student to an f student. >> reporter: juul and the state announced a $40 million settlement. juul which stopped selling its fruity and sweet flavors in the u.s. also agreed to not using models under 30. adding this settlement is consistent with our ongoing effort to reset our company as

we continue to combat underage usage. they argue their product is an important option for adults transitioning away from traditional cigarettes. while a survey in 2020 found under age use is down, roughly 20% of high schoolers say they use e-cigarettes and nearly a quarter say it's a daily habit. access in north carolina will be tougher now and with 12 states and the district of columbia filing similar lawsuits against juul, more changes could be coming. our thanks to stephanie gosk for that report. who didn't see that coming the way they were marketing those products. coming up, an insider account of the trump administration's failed response to the covid-19 pandemic. plus new research on whether those who have been vaccinated may need booster shots. "morning joe" is back in a moment. ning joe" is back in a moment

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wimbledon is under way at the all england club and the largest applause yesterday before play began at center court when developers of the astrazeneca vaccine along with britain's health workers received a standing ovation from the crowd. wimbledon was cancelled last year due to the pandemic. the first time since world war ii. and a new study finds that vaccines from pfizer and moderna may protect against the coronavirus for years according to a report published in the journal nature, scientists found the vaccines set off a persistent immune response giving a sign of long lasting protection, at least against the existing covid variants.

the results add to growing evidence that most people immunized with the mr,na vaccine would not need boosters. it did not consider the johnson & johnson vaccine but they consider the immune response to be more durable than the ones produced by mrna vaccines. joining us "the washington post" reporters, authors of the new book "nightmare scenario, inside the trump administration's response to the pandemic that changed history". thank you both for being on with us today. we really appreciate it. damian, i'll start with you and the concept of the book, my estimation is that many believe that tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of deaths could have been prevented. >> absolutely. i think obviously this virus snuck up on the whole world and

no doubt there would have been deaths in the united states. but what we found where there was so many missteps. for example, back in february when they were so obsessed with the cruise ships and the president had the idea to put people who were sick, elderly americans on guantomo bay, because he didn't want the numbers to go up in america. so when they were playing down the numbers, there was a surge in the united states and certainly people died that didn't have to. >> you have new reporting that's fascinating about president trump's own case of covid, how he went into the hospital and how quickly he came out and you go behind the scenes of the struggle to keep him in the hospital on one hand and the president refusing, saying i'm going home. that's one part of this, the

other is the request from the white house for the experimental treatments and doctors saying we cannot experiment on the president of the united states. >> yeah, our reporting shows that the president was much sicker than was reported at the time, last october, and he got access to what was then an experimental drug, an antibody that people familiar with his medical condition was responsible for his rapid turn around. before that his doctors were concerned he was going to have to go on a ventilator. some people were worried he wasn't going to make it out of walter reed so he got access to the official and the fda official, steve hawn, was called to get access to the case. >> we saw him come back to the white house everyone remembers him laboring to get up the stairs as he took off his mask. how serious a case was it? >> before that it was a serious

case. the president at the time was in the highest risk category, he was over 70, he was medically obese, didn't exercise very much. he ticked a lot of the high risk categories for a coronavirus patient and he had to be given oxygen twice. at one point his oxygen dipped into the 80s and his doctors feared he was going to have to go on a ventilator. so before that it was looking like a very serious case. even as you noted before, when he left the hospital a few days after he was admitted. his then physician didn't want him to leave, the cdc director at the time called and said he can't leave the hospital he's in the highest risk category, he could have a backslide or organ failure. and sean conley said he agreed but couldn't convince the president to stay any longer. >> mike barn cal has a question. >> the report in the book is spectacular, interesting and deeply depressing given the

level of competence that you report on. but my feeling and it's still a strong feeling today is that one of the most horrendous things that occurred during the first few months when people in america became alert to and victimized by the virus. was the politicization of mask wearing by the president of the united states. >> absolutely. you know, i think one of our big targets was to look at the inflection points in in the response. the moments things could have gone one way but then went another way and there's a dramatic scene in the situation room in march when they finally agreed, yes, masks can help. so they had u.s. underwear making companies produce masks they were going to send two masks to every american through the postal service. so they had the masks made and secretary azar tried them on to model them for the group and

there was a frat boy humor, looks like a jock strap on your face, training bra on your face, so they scuttled the masks. imagine if they sent two masks to every american and there was no division it, the president modelled it, imagine how the response could have been different. they didn't, the masks got shelved. it turned into a huge wedge issue, where you were with the president and didn't wear masks or you wore masks and were against the president. still to this day one of the worst legacies of this virus is how divided the country is and how so many people don't trust scientists, don't trust what they believe. we're seeing a lot of issues with the turmoil and the near civil war we had earlier this year, all fed by this split last year that i think started with the masks. >> so given all of that and the political divisions that have erupted in the wake -- they were

always there but exacerbated by the pandemic and focused on public health. every expert says there's going to be another pandemic we're going to face this down again. what did you learn in the course of reporting and writing this book about what the biden administration can do to fix that? do you think if there is another pandemic that people will listen to our public health officials or is the damage so bad that that's in question? >> that's a great question. i think so much of that will depend on how much time there is between this one and the next one. how much the divisions in our country might be able to heal or simmer down in that time. what we learned was the u.s. was going to be probably behind in this pandemic no matter who was in charge. it was going to be a challenge no matter who was the president. but there were political decisions and leadership decisions that exacerbated an already very difficult situation. but like damian said earlier, if we had all worn masks and it

wasn't a symbol of whether you were a republican or democrat, or whatever it may be, that could have been different. there are systemic things that need addressed by the biden administration, the next administration, across administrations, it's not going to be resolved in a couple of years. i think what we've seen from the biden administration, they tried to not be as divisive in their rhetoric, tried to model good behavior so people know what to do. last year you had the cdc and health officials issuing one set of guidelines and the president and his aides modeling something different. so it was areas that just became divisive. >> the president was downplaying the danger of covid throughout 2020. often saying it wasn't -- no worse than the flu, and it was -- it was constant. talking about when america was going to reopen. and yet we found out, in late

summer 2020, that he had talked to bob woodward in early february -- let me say that again, in early february of 2020, and told woodward, on tape, that was easily transmissible and that it was very deadly. in fact, he told woodward, from his understanding, it was at least five times as deadly as the flu. and so the question is, based on that president's knowledge and based on your reporting, when did the president decide that despite the fact that he knew how deadly covid was that he was going to cover it up from the american people. talk about what he said to woodward and then the decision that was made to cover up just how deadly covid was. >> that's a great question and

that's something yasmine and i struggled with a lot. yes, he did tell bob woodward it was very deadly and then in the same breath he said it would disappear by summer. there was one that said, it's all going to be fine, i'm not worried about it, we're going to reopen by easter. then there was the other one, the germophobe that was incredibly scared of covid. when he was told boris johnson was taken to the hospital, he thought boris johnson was going to die. he said, i have friends that get put on a ventilator and they don't get out. when his friend was in a coma and put into the hospital, he saw people on gurneys in the hospital, he was mortified by what happened. in late september when gold star families were brought into the white house and the families were brought close to him, he

got really upset at aides for having these people so close to him. he was worried about himself getting sick, but he wouldn't take measures to protect americans, especially as the second half of the year really got going. that was something we worked on in our reporting, which donald trump is the one that has policies? >> the book, "nightmare scenario." yasmine and damian paletta, thank you. the condo collapse in surfside, florida and the warning from the condo board just months before about the

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lawyers for the trump organization made a last-ditch effort to fend off charges against his business. trump employees laid out the harm the business could face if indicted, like damage with business partners. at the heart of the charges are gifts, like tuition payments to

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around the clock in 12-hour shifts in hopes of finding even one person alive. >> i think every moment is critical. this is why we're working 12-hour shifts. >> reporter: state fire marshal jimmy petronus stresses that they're using tools looking for signs of life. battles made tougher by mother nature. >> every time it rains, it creates challenges, lightning creates challengeschallenges, t shifting creates challenges. every time the rubble shifts, we have to stop because you can't risk people in the rubble. >> we have them coping with the news that they might not have their loved ones come out alive and still hope against hope that they will. they're learning that some of

their loved ones will come out as body parts. i mean, this is the kind of information that is just excruciating for everyone. >> meanwhile, in april, just two months ago, the president of the champlain tower south condominium association sent a letter to residents warning their building was in desperate need of repair. the letter, which was reviewed by the "wall street journal," urged residents to pay what was needed to fix a stress in the building. indeed, the observable damage such as in the garage has gotten significantly worse over the years. according to the journal, the letter was meant to explain to residents why construction projects on the 40-year-old building were worthy ahead of a meeting to discuss the assessment of $15 million which was to be paid collectively by the residents. joining us now from surfside,

florida, news correspondent toni hilton. toni, good to see you. we can get into the questions from residents a couple months ago, but what's the latest on the ground there in terms of search and rescue? >> good morning. the situation here is quite grim as we reach this sixth day. one more body was recovered as of yesterday evening, bringing the total to 11, but the number of unaccounted for is still 150 people, which has been really overwhelming for the community here to face that number at the pace the recovery is moving right now. as i've been speaking to people here in the community and to volunteers who have been on-site at the rubble, what i've heard is that they are privately confiding that they are starting to lose home that miracles are going to happen for them. i met a woman who lives about a block away from where i am right now, close to the north tower, the twin tower to the one that collapsed the other day, and she told me she's friends with a woman who lived in that tower,

and she has no hope her friend will be alive at this stage. things have gotten really tense here, and friends and family of loved ones who were living in that tower have yelled at officials in private meetings with them, they have demanded answers as to how this could possibly happen, and they've grown restless with the pace. it's hard to understand how dangerous this is, the shift in the weather, the wind, the rain, and how meticulous they have to be in hopes of finding people alive. and the family members want answers and closure as fast as possible, but these workers have to work extremely carefully through unbelievable conditions right now. it's creating an excruciating environment here on day six of this search. >> it is, and as you say they

brought in elite teams from around the world, from israel and mexico, to join the search and rescue effort. antonia, it was interesting to see that some of the family members of the victims were brought up close to see with their own eyes what happened. what's the idea behind that and what's that experience been like for those families? >> that's right. so officials organized buses to bring family members right up to the site of the rubble, and the idea was to give them a chance to see how this rescue operation is actually working, to see the first responders on the rubble and experience and kind of get solace from watching all of that unfold. i spoke to one witness who saw this all in motion, and she was a bit conflicted about what this experience was actually like. what she described was seeing people just completely break down, unable to function, as they took in what this site actually feels and smells like. one volunteer who has been working at the rubble site every day described it to me as the gates of hell.

those words have really stuck with me. and so while the idea, i think, was to give families a chance to see how rescuers were working, how complicated this is, and one witnessed one of the responders falling down 25 feet, so think they did take in the gravity of the situation there, it was described as an extremely traumatic event that led families to feel they need to begin the grieving process as they lose hope that any of their family members could survive under this concrete and sheetrock over the last six days. >> antonia hylton, thank you for being at surfside for us. mika? >> let's go to debbie wasserman schultz who is there every day with the rescue efforts. thank you for joining us. what have you observed with what's going on and happening in your community?

>> the enormity of this tragedy is really almost impossible to describe. this was the stuff of nightmares, literally having the building that you live in 12 stories high come crashing down around you in the middle of the night while everyone was sleeping. this is a very tight-knit community, surfside and the surrounding area. these are people who -- you know, they know each other. there's not many degrees of separation between family connections and friends. i can't tell you -- i have three or four families and friends who had people in the building. it's devastating. then bringing them to the site the other day, as the reporter was talking about, was so incredibly important because, mika, doubt starts to creep in when it's taking as long as it has, and helping them to understand the enormity of the tragedy, bringing them in proximity to it, and then there

is a lot of jewish people, orthodox jews, and you may not know that proximity to a deceased person and making sure that you stay with the body when there is one until burial is part of our faith tradition, and so that was important, too. >> one part of your office, of course, is constituent services, and i'm wondering what you're hearing, especially in terms of the safety of the neighboring buildings, how the community is feeling given that there is so much mystery as to how this happened. information about warning signs, inspections, alarming cracks being noticed under the pool and in certain areas under the building. are people asking questions about their buildings, and what kind of coordination is there to take a look at the strength and sanctity of the buildings around this collapsed condo?

>> they are. i know that was among my first thoughts on thursday after i heard about the collapse up and down the coastline and through florida are condo buildings just like this one of similar age. the mayor ordered an audit and a review of all buildings five stories and up that are at least 40 years old. people are concerned. but we're very much -- this is a whole of government approach. we're very much doing first things first, making sure every inch of that rubble pile is gone over with a fine-tooth comb. we have the best service rescue teams in the world. the fema teams are on stand-by and will be rotating in, so making sure there is any chance

of rescue of survivors is critical and getting to the bottom of this. i was really pleased we had the chance to talk to our national institute of technology, the federal agency that goes in and does a technical investigation to see how this happened, and they'll open a federal team investigation. if they do that, they'll make sure at the federal level what policies need to change and how we might need to change ordinances across the country to make sure something like this never happens again when it comes to building standards. >> congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz, thank you very much for joining us and giving us that update. coming up, she describes the january 6th insurrection as, quote, textbook terrorism.

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yahoo news entitled "americans can be proud of the infrastructure deal." it reads in part this: neither democrats nor republicans got everything they want in this agreement, but that's what it means to compromise and reach consensus, the very heart of democracy. when we come together and negotiate in good faith to get big things done, we begin to break the ice that too often has kept us frozen in place and prevented us from solving the real problems americans face. there is plenty of work ahead to finish the job. there will be disagreements to resolve and more compromise to be forged. but this is a deal the american people can be proud of. >> nancy pelosi said she will not approve the bipartisan plan until the senate approves the

other package and mitch mcconnell says the two cannot be linked. he said, unless leader schumer and speaker pelosi walk back their threats, then president biden's walk-back of his veto threat would be a hollow gesture. the president cannot let congressional democrats hold a bipartisan bill hostage over a separate and partisan process. >> i appreciate the president saying he would handle each bill separately, but he doesn't handle the congress and they will determine the order. what i did this morning was call on the president to ask the majority leader and the speaker to deal with these issues separately. >> so, joe, in many ways president biden has dug this hole by saying initially, i'm not going to sign the bipartisan package unless i get the other democratic pack anyone, and then

walking it back saying i didn't mean to suggest i would veto it. but let's be clear, minority leader mcconnell was never going to be on board with any of it, this kind of gives him cover. >> he's not, but mitch mcconnell is the minority leader and what he's saying there is what the republican caucus is saying and all these members that want to be part of this bipartisan bill. it does seem strange what the democrats are doing here. i understand the progressive wing of the democratic party has been long suffering over the past four or five months just listening about joe manchin, joe manchin, joe manchin and sometimes kyrsten sinema. at the time if you want to have the bipartisan bill passed, you cannot say, yes, we're going to use you to get to the 60-vote threshold this time, but only if we can roll you with this

50-vote threshold. at the same time, it's just not going to work. we say things on this show -- for instance, hr-1 is never going to pass in its current form. we've been saying that for months, right? we said there was a mess with immigration very early on and people freaked out when we said that, and then they said, oh, it's just seasonal. this is just seasonal, and then they found out -- i guess it took them a couple more months to figure out that we actually had a problem at the border that they didn't want to admit was a problem. let me be perfectly clear, as richard nixon might say. this is not going to pass in its length. it's not going to pass. so either the democratic leaders can keep their insight thoughts inside their heads and figure out a way to deal with the progressives in the caucus to say, hey, let's let the

bipartisan legislation pass first and then we'll figure out how to get manchin to the 50th vote later. because joe is not going to vote for that package as is. there is no package right now until they negotiate it. we got like a $6 trillion price tag out there. that's want going to pass ever. ever. it will never pass, okay? i'm sorry to have to be this blunt this morning, but i'm getting tired of saying things and three months later people figuring out, oh, yeah, duh. it's not going to pass, okay? i respect bernie and other progressives pushing for 6 trillion, because if we don't push for that, you don't meet somewhere in the middle. i understand why he's doing that. but a speaker and a majority leader? it's got to stop. do you want a bipartisan piece

of legislation that will help the president, will help the democratic party, and will help the country? and yes, will help some republicans, too. so it's bipartisan or not. >> what should they be doing? >> stop talking past each other. pass the bipartisan piece of legislation and then instead of holding press conferences saying they need to be linked, because they can't be linked, because if they're linked, there is no deal. so stop saying it. stop saying it in front of microphones and go to the bowels of the capital and get your democratic caucuses together and talk through it there and get your 50 votes there. stop giving republicans high ground, which is exactly what you're doing right now. coming up, portland and seattle didn't just break all-time heat records, they crushed them.

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the pacific northwest is still dealing with a record-shattering heat wave. temperatures were well above 100 degrees once again yesterday. nbc news correspondent guad vinegas has more. >> reporter: another day of sweltering temperatures. an all-time high of 100 degrees. in portland where it means not everyone has ac, families escaped to museums to cool off. >> it's pretty bad. >> reporter: others moved to cooling centers after power outages on sunday left people in the dark. >> it's bad enough not to have air-conditioning, but to have no power at all in this heat is

dangerous. >> reporter: in eugene, transferred to the hospital at the olympic trials. >> she is expected to be okay. >> here's what we can expect today. bill? >> reporter: the peak of the heat was yesterday, but we need to take a step back and see what happened. this was unparalleled, unprecedented and we didn't even think this was possible in this region of the country. this is a list of our all-time record highs. in phoenix, hotter than it's ever been, 122, las vegas, 117. but look what happened. portland jumped to number 3 on the list. we now have to think of portland, oregon as a place that can get as hot as the desert at 108 degrees.

seattle jumped all the way up to 16th at 108 degrees. it's now been hotter in seattle than it has in washington, d.c., philadelphia, new york city, baltimore, atlanta. it's just ridiculous what happens. where do we stand now? it's not quite as hot today in portland. it's still warm in many areas. northwest, but we also have this growing heat wave northeast. the difference is in the northwest it's hot and kind of dry, almost what you would expect in the desert. in the northeast, it's hot and very humid. today, spokane, 110 degrees. there are some spots that are exceptionally hot. notice seattle 91, a little hotter today. this should be the hottest day we'll experience this week and this our second heat wave in the city. it will feel like 100 in all these cities, but a heads up to my friends in the northeast, the heat wave end tomorrow with

severe thunderstorms heading in wednesday evening. keep that in mind for any of your wednesday evening plans. pretty big heat wave in the northwest. they're saying this is a 100-year event and we should never see it again. well, climate change will have something to say about that. i'm bill karins. we'll be right back. right back.

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celebrate. the freedom to hug a grandchild, to see a baseball game in person, to come back together again. america. leading the world out of a global pandemic with honesty and compassion. america's journey conditions through fireworks and parades to build a better future, a future that only we, the people, can make together. america. we're coming back. the democratic national committee is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> that's a new tv ad from the democratic national committee declaring that america is coming back after a year of lockdowns and economic hardship. it's part of a campaign style blitz along with the white house as the nation gets set to celebrate independence day. a new polling shows more americans are planning to celebrate the holiday this year

but still with some hesitation. according to a new monmouth university poll, 54% of adults plan to attend a july 4th barbecue. that's still down from the pre-pandemic number of 69%. even fewer said they had plans to see a fireworks show, just 26% compared to 51% two years ago. and those fourth of july parades could look a little smaller this year as well with only 18% of americans planning to attend. willie? >> let's talk more about this with the mayor of washington, d.c., muriel bowser. also host of nbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. good to see you both. good to have you in new york city. >> it's good to be in new york city. thanks for having me. >> let's talk about the fourth of july. this has been a date on people's calendars, including the president who hoped to have 70% of the country vaccinated. the white house announcing

they're falling a little short of that goal. you lifted restrictions back a couple weeks ago. what's the fourth going to look like in d.c.? >> d.c. is open. let me be real clear about that. we want people to come enjoy the nation's fireworks. we're celebrating the nation's birthday. the president announced about a week ago that the fireworks on the national mall he would be hosting, so we're looking forward to it. i was just looking at your poll. i'll be doing all of those things on july 4th, barbecue, parade and fireworks in d.c. and we have hit, our whole region has hit, d.c., maryland and virginia, has hit the 70% goal for adults being vaccinated, so we're very proud of that. >> that vaccination question, that's great news that you've reached 70%. what is your sense of who is still out there, perhaps persuadable, in terms of getting the vaccine? you're doing well, but if you look across the country in southern states, that's a real problem. they're at 30%. how do you get the message to

people that this is important not just for them personally but to get the country back to where it needs to be? >> we just have to keep talking to people, address their fears, because some people have some real fears, but we also have to show them this is how you get open. the vaccine is effective. and we're clearly driving down our cases. we had a weekend in d.c. where we only had 28 cases and we have had no deaths from covid over the last several days. that's where we all need to be. the world now is not set up for the unvaccinated. we were closed for 15 months, and we had social distancing and people wearing masks. that's not the case now. so you put yourself at real risk, your family at risk, and the nation's reopening at risk if you don't get vaccinated. >> i notice, rev, that they had dr. fauci literally knocking on doors the other day. >> i thought that was good. >> he's a real star, by the way,

a superstar. >> let me ask you, because i know that you were very, very clear on keeping health as a priority during the pandemic. >> yeah. >> we marched down there. you gave us so many restrictions. every other minute i was saying, is mayor bowser going to clear this? so for you to come out of it, you were convinced things would be fine. but during the pandemic, we lost a lot of small businesses. how did that impact washington, d.c. and how do you help bring some of those small businesses back in the district? >> well, thanks for that question, al, and our residents of businesses sacrificed a lot, and because they did, we've crushed the virus, and we're crushing it because people are getting vaccinated, and that's hugely important. part of the reason why i'm here is to talk about bringing travel back and having people who are around the d.c. region come to d.c. to enjoy monuments and

museums, pools and parks, all of which we have. our gorgeous nightlife scene and arts and culture scene. and bringing our visit orders -- visitors and workers back is what will help small businesses the most. that's what we'll see in washington, our visitors and workers coming back to d.c. it's a great place to visit because you don't have all the crowds in the museums and monument monuments, but you have all our great workers in hotels and restaurants. we took the amtrak. i'm going to the train hall this afternoon to tour with some new york officials because we want to do the same thing at union station in washington, d.c. >> mika? >> it's hard not to, as we prepare to celebrate our country, not to think about what

happened on january 6th and to have a moment of pause, at the very least. it's another issue that's impacting washington, and the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, is prepared to select members of congress to investigate the capitol insurrection. she introduced legislation yesterday that would create a select committee. she would have the power to appoint eight members to the panel, five members would be selected and approved by house minority leader kevin mccarthy. the chair of the panel would have subpoena power, meaning that democrats could seek to compel the testimony of aides and lawmakers. according to an aide of speaker pelosi, the speaker is, quote, seriously considering appointing a republican with one of her unilateral picks. outspoken trump critics, congressman adam kinzinger and

congresswoman liz cheney are said to be in the running. neither of them have ruled out being involved. the house is going to be holding a procedural vote on the measure today. a full house vote is expected tomorrow. how important, muriel bowser, do you think it is to follow through on this commission and to find out not just what happened that day, every aspect of it, a lot of which we've seen, a lot that we haven't, but to every aspect of what led up to it? >> well, mika, i will tell you the very day after the insurrection of january 6, i went out and talked to my residents, and i recommended that day that we have a 9/11 style commission to investigate what happened. we saw up close and personal some failures of our whole system, and i think it's important that those failures are examined so that they never happen again. i do think it's important as

much as possible to take the politics out of it, and that's why we thought that even a bipartisan commission and even having lawmakers lead the commission, in our view, would be the best thing to do. we participated already, i think, in three or four hearings at the congress. we will be there to participate when asked, but i think it's important for our country at a time when power is transitioning. we saw up close how vulnerable we can be as a nation. so we have to take very seriously getting to the bottom of it, but also that people involved that you see when you show these pictures are held responsible, but anybody who is further up the chain should be held responsible, too. but we also want people to know that this is not the burning image we want you to have of

washington, d.c., because we are a city of about 700,000 people. it's safe to come to your nation's capitol and see those monuments and museums, go to the capitol to visit with your lawmakers to talk to them about moving on infrastructure, for example, which is so important to our comeback, so that we, as i mentioned, can remake our union station as well, and there is an opportunity with this infrastructure bill that's being discussed right now for cities like mine to compete for those infrastructure dollars that's going to make that comeback real. we're talking about the comeback of our nation, but we have to make the comeback real by making the types of investments that will put people back to work and good-paying jobs and help us rebuild our infrastructure. >> as you know too well, mayor bowser, crime is up in big cities, new york city where we are now. what's your view of why that's

happening now, and what's the solution to the problem? >> i don't think there is a single reason why we see crime go up. there rarely is. our approach is to attack it with everything that we have. that includes law enforcement, but it also includes community violence interruption, and that's been our focus. i just had a long briefing with the chief of police about gun violence in the city where our detectives sit down and go over with me every open case so we can figure out what's going on. we're unique in the system, as you know, so we have a lot of federal folks who prosecute d.c. crime. i had to talk to them about getting open, making sure the u.s. attorneys are fully open, the court systems are fully open so people who need to be held accountable are held accountable. but also susan rice came to visit. our violence interruption office where we have violence

interruptors going out in communities to try to identify beef beefs before they turn violent. you always hear me say we have to do something about the guns that are running up and down i-95 coming in from all states into d.c. and too many people having too easy access to firearms. >> how do you thread the needle between those that clearly want to see dealing with gun violence and dealing with the rise, the uptick in violence in some cities, including the district, but at the same time are concerned about excessive force by police? and we have the george floyd bill in congress that's pending in the senate and other things, you have those that are saying defund the police. as a mayor, how do you thread the needle between police accountability and also making sure that the citizens work with you and the police in trying to bring down gun violence? >> absolutely. you can't have safe

neighborhoods without good police or communities who trust police. and that's what we've been working on in d.c. for over 20 years, and we continue to work on it. and our police chief is committed to it. so one thing is to make sure we're recruiting people from our neighborhoods that look like our city and that want to make our city safe. we train our officers, and we hold our officers accountable. but we also are making sure in the budget i have before my council that we have alternatives. i have a $59 million package before our council that are alternatives to traditional policing, including mental health professionals who are going to go out on calls with our police, but the best prevention is getting police in good job training and good jobs. and so we're doing that. we're also piloting a way to

have our citizens who are returning home from incarceration, have a ramp of support from the city to get them on their feet, to get them into productive employment. so we're trying, literally, everything to give people opportunity to prevent violence but also hold people accountable who aren't following the law. >> mayor muriel bowser, great to have you on your swing through new york. enjoy your time here. the message again, d.c. is open for business. >> d.c. is open. come visit us. >> appreciate it. mika? up next, one of the top-selling writers on critical race theory joins us as the debate rages on from state legislators to local school board meetings. keep it right here on "morning joe." n "morning joe. express business card, which offers spending power built for his business needs, to furnish a new exam room. the doctor will see you now. get the card built for business. by american express.

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continue discussion with her latest book entitled "nice racism colon how progressive white people perpetuate racial welcome back to the show. i have so many questions. want to talk as a group, reverend al sharpton is with us about how the book fits into the larger conversation. i am curious, the book explains many of the common patterns used by white people trying to excuse themselves from complicity. correct me if i'm wrong. i'll name two of the patterns from it, believing that being nice is the same as being anti-racist and attempting to outwoke others. can you explain what the two patterns are and the impact they have, and the overall explanation the book is trying

to make about the way white people frame their existence. >> one of the things you see is this either or, you're either racist or not racist. in a moment such as we have now, both forces if you will, both sides are amplified, so it is very easy for those of us deeply committed to racial justice to see ourselves as on the not racist side and we can point to the many explicit, clear, extreme examples, but it is harder to get your hands on the more implicit, the well intended, unaware, but still impactful ways that folks like me, well meaning, well intended folks collude with the system. it is not an aberration, racism is not an aberration, it is the norm. if we are passive within the norm, if we see ourselves as not

part of the problem, we will inadvertently contribute to it by passivity. outwoken is this what i call a move to always position one self as more aware, more advanced than other people. it is pointing the finger outward rather than inward. >> dr. diangelo, one of the things that appealed about the new book, talking about trying to outwoke others. i see it all the time in a lot of movement, engagements that i'm involved in, people tend to trivialize legitimate struggle of blacks and gays and latino by dealing what is trending that makes them look woke rather than dealing with the real problem. how do you deal with this in the book and what made you go there, if i could put it that way.

>> certainly. and it is an honor to be speaking with you. >> the honor is mine. >> so outwoking is that move where you position yourself above other people as more advanced, and it is a superficial response. last summer you saw much more involvement from what we might call the average white person. you saw protests, activism. but in some ways, it is somewhat exciting and interesting to go down to a protest. the daily struggle it takes to get racism on the table and keep it on the table, the humility required for white people. that is much harder. we see that fade out. we don't always see the excitement sustained when it comes down to the really difficult work. and the concept of white

fragility resonated deeply with people worldwide that i wanted to keep going, to go deeper and help up pack. what does this look like in our daily lives. i make a provocative claim that white progressives that see ourselves on the progressive side of the equation actually cause the most daily harm. i have been asked about that a lot. you know, i am not a white nationalist and i can only imagine how unsettling it might be for a black person to be interacting directly with someone who is explicitly racist or white nationalist, but odds are on a daily basis you're not interacting with folks like that, you're interacting with folks like me, and we are the ones that cause that daily exhaustion, the more insidious gas lighting, harder to get your hands on. to the degree i think i'm woke and more woke than anybody else,

i'm going to be very defensive and resistant to any feedback to the contrary. >> okay. you bring up some criticism of your theories, columbia university linguist, contributing writer has been vocal critic of the book "white fragility". here's what he said last month on "real time" with bill maher. >> we read a book like white fragility that says black people are white house flowers, everybody has to tip toe around us, always crying and angry and we're so very delicate, i don't feel like that person. that book is talking down to me as far as i'm concerned. >> and michelle goldberg has a column in "new york times" tackling what she calls the maddening critical race theory debate.

she writes in part, there's certainly some material critics lump in with crt that strikes me as ridiculous and harmful. i've seen the training for school dplors calling worship of the written word white supremacy culture. there's a version of anti-racism based on white people's narcissistic self flag ladies and gentlemen that seems to me to accomplish very little. michelle adds at my own kids' fairly progressive brooklyn school, they were assigned an age appropriate book about police shootings. something happened in our town, which i appreciated, because it helped me explain last summer's demonstrations to them. they have not to the best of my knowledge been ordered to confess their white privilege. that's a lot to respond to, but i guess there is a sense that people don't like being put, given an exact definition of who they are.

>> well, one thing that i am really clear about after 20 plus decades doing this work, it is probably the most motionly charged, politically charged issue that couldn't get this right by everybody, that the investments are deep in both racial justice, attaining that, but very deep in protecting status quo. of course you're going to have people who want to reject the anti-racist movement. let me be clear as i argue in white fragility, i think white people overall are the hot house flowers, we tend to be the most irrational, the most angry. the book is written by a white person to white people. i'm not talking about black people or trying to explain black people. i'm trying to talk about ourselves in relationship to black people and for far too

long we have excused our self from that relationship as if we are not part of this, as if racism happens to black people in some kind of vacuum. i don't feel self flad wlating, not interested in guilt. i am a fairly empowered person, quite clear i have been deeply shaped by the waters of racism that i swim in and we're born into. when you understand that that is a system you didn't choose but that you are now responsible for the outcome of having been shaped by those forces, guilt becomes moot. the best antidote is repetitive action. >> is it important a white addressing this coming from a white, what you're doing, that would not be taken the same way if it came from someone like me? >> i believe so. i want to be clear that i know i

couldn't and i don't believe white people will ever understand racism if we aren't listening to black people. you had to know and navigate my reality your whole life where i don't seem qualified to lead anything with no understanding of your reality, to be honest, no interest in understanding your reality. we have to be listening to black people and other people of color, but we do have a piece of the puzzle that you don't have as an insider to whiteness, i can articulate in a way that's harder for white people to deny. it is only one voice but it is a voice missing far too long in the national discussion. >> we really appreciate it. the new book, "nice racism." how progressive white people perpetuate racial harm. thank you again. welcome back to the show. come back soon. that does it for us this morning.

stephanie ruhle picks up coverage right now. hi there, i am stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is tuesday, june 29th. we start with several developments in south florida. rescue crews entering day six, searching rubble of the partially collapsed condominium building, despite increasingly long odds. 11 people now confirmed dead with 150 still unaccounted for. the mood growing more somber after crowds gathered for a vigil near the site of the collapse. >> we have people waiting and waiting and waiting for news, that is excruciating. we have them coping with the news that they might not have their loved ones come out alive, and still h